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we're back now for reaction to the romney interview with my roundtable. joining me, "washington post" columnist, e.j. dionne. "wall street journal" columnist peggy noonan. our political director and chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. washington fellow of the clairemont institute, bill bennett. and fresh from the charlotte convention where he gave the democratic keynote address, welcome to the roundtable for
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the first time, san antonio mayor julian castro. lots to get to. not quite as much time because we had the opportunity to sit with governor romney. here was i think a key piece of news made in that interview and it had to do with an open disagreement that romney has with the republican leaders who struck a deal to extend the debt ceiling, you remember last summer, that required automatic spending cuts for defense and social programs that would take effect january 1st. this is what he said. >> this sequestration idea of the white house, which is cutting our defense, i think, is an extraordinary miscalculation. >> republican leaders agreed to that deal to extend -- >> i think it's a big mistake. i thought it was a mistake on the part of the white house to propose it. i think it was a mistake for republicans to go along with it. >> and here is from the national review last july, romney's running mate, paul ryan, defending his vote yes for that sequestration deal. he said i support this reasonable, responsible effort to cut government spending, avoid a default and help create a better environment for job creation.
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chuck, what does this say that there is this open disagreement? >> well, this is about, i think romney's playing battleground state politics. i hate to say it. but that's what he does. right after the interview where did he go? went to virginia, where some of the cuts, if they take place -- people seem to have amnesia about the whole point sequester was. it was the fourth conversation, fourth new negotiations. nobody wants to sequester. the whole point was pick something that each party thought was something that a third rail in their -- in their conferences so that they would force them to have a new conversation, so the whole re-imaging of the sequester. i understand the battleground state politics that romney's up to. but i think he's walking into a trap. >> bill bennett, my impression spending time with governor romney and talking to him about these issues on camera and off is that he understands the need for some level of compromise, and to even take on conservatives. and yet in this interview there was a level of rigidity, even to the point saying this deal on a defense sequester makes no sense. >> well, he's distinguish between the willingness on
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principle to compromise and the willingness to compromise on principle. and that's an important difference. but i agree with chuck, this was to set up a conversation about what's going to be cut and where the cuts are going to be. and i think romney's absolutely right to talk about these defense cuts as being, in leon panetta's words, devastating. it's possible to still have that conversation. time is running out. but i understand the ryan point of view, because you need the forces in order to avoid a fall. but that conversation still has to take place. you cannot strip the military 50%. >> mayor castro, governor romney in this interview goes out of his way to say that your attack and other democrats on him for cutting taxes is unfair. that this is not a give away to the rich. that this is a job creation, pro-greth tax cut, even though, again, he was not specific about how he'd make the numbers work. your reaction? >> that's always a challenge for governor romney. it just strikes me throughout this entire campaign he has missed opportunity after opportunity. you ask him very specifically to
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be specific, and all he said was that, well, for high income folks we would reduce some deductions and exemptions. he will not get specific. and the fact is that over the years, the marginal rate for the wealthiest has come down significantly. so even if we accept him at his word and say he's not going to reduce it further, it's already been reduced tremendously, and independent analyses have shown that his plan, to the extent that he has one, because he hasn't been very specific, would overly burden the middle class. >> e.j., peggy, discuss? >> first of all, i think your interview really made clear he wants to cut taxes. he wants to raise defense. and then he doesn't tell us how he's going to balance the budget. this is a core problem that he has. i think you really got to him on the issue of taxes. because he can't do what he wants to do without cutting -- raising taxes for the middle class, in some way. and it really struck me that he kept falling back on these
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studies. i mean, a republican leaning on studies from harvard and princeton over and over again is like clint eastwood throwing away his six-gun and saying let's rely on sweet reason. he just couldn't explain what he was doing so he kept citing studies. by the way the other issue i thought you really had him on was gm. i mean that was not a coherent answer on gm. his original position was, let it go under. that was a irreversible decision that would have destroyed a large part of our domestic auto industry. and he couldn't really explain that. >> peggy, i thought it was pointed when he said, re-election of president obama means chronic high unemployment. and yet, there is all the evidence of the underpinnings of this economy being very strong. is that a credible case he's making? >> well, you had brought up the point about the underpinnings being strong. i think there is a general republican point of view that if mr. obama is re-elected, nothing will move forward in washington.
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a sort of cold, blanket, heavy on the economy will probably continue. no progress will be made. taxes on corporations won't be lowered, so we won't be more competitive. so i think that's what he was referring to. however, on the back there was a little news there in what governor romney said about, well, frankly, it's a higher end for more well-off taxpayers. they're going to lose some of the things they were relying on, like certain loopholes. i thought he might be talking about limits on the mortgage interest rate deduction. he was not clear about it. but it seems to me he was saying, look, trying to be fair here, trying to make it all work. but don't demagogue me on the rich get away with everything. >> emphatically taxes on the rich will not go down. he said that three times. but faulting this guy for not having a plan? president obama, where is his plan? he's president of the united states. >> yeah. >> three years ago on this network he said, you know, if i don't get this thing under control, it's a one-term
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proposition. he puts forward a plan, a budget plan, it gets rejected 414-0 in the house. and 97-0 in the senate. what was the plan we heard at the convention? this guy has been the president, and he has not made things better. he has made things worse. >> well romney has repeatedly said he won't cut taxes on the rich, and yet he has proposals to cut taxes on the rich. he doesn't explain why it adds up. in terms of obama's budget was a serious proposal. the republicans tried to force a political vote on it. the democrats decided they weren't going to play the game. >> it got zero support. >> yes, because it was put up there as a political matter because it was never going to pass. >> if you read the bob woodward book you will see just how pathetic the white house effort was. >> let me take a break here. we'll come back and talk more about the economy, the impact of jobs and the new numbers on the debate and some of the straightup politics after [ male announcer ] what can you experience in a seat? inspiration. great power.
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orthodoxy of cutting taxes on the rich. >> he tried a little bit, but i think this is getting to the greater thing we talked about this, we were talking about this off ram ka. he has done one of the drags i think on romney is the unpopularity of the republican party. it's more unpopular than the democratic party as a hole. george w. bush's are not remembered fondly. he has not figured out how to separate himself from that. it was bill clinton's great challenge in '92. he had to separate himself from the old orthodoxies of the democratic party. he figured out ways to do it. that's why he won. romney has yet to figure out how to do it. >> mayor castro, seems to me it comes down to one question, do americans blame this president for the job situation or do they listen to president clinton who said nobody could have fixed it faster, not even me? i mean that seems to be -- if americans believe that, then maybe they give him a chance. >> i think president clinton did a stellar job, as usual, making the case that we see now 30 straight months of private sector job growth, 4.6 million jobs created. and i believe that the folks see
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that kind of progress around the country. and so for mitt romney to say, well, there's been no progress whatsoever, folks can tell the difference between what they see out there, and what he's saying. >> peggy noonan, where is this race right now? two conventions, this interview with romney, where are we now with less than 60 days? does it feel like romney's behind or not? >> it feels like it's very close and amazingly nobody knows what's going to happen. i feel like the two conventions coming so close to each other, were a bit of a blur. one night these guys yell, and the next night these guys yell. everything, i think, is about the debates right now. when the debates come, mr. obama's going to say, mr. romney, why would they vote for you when you represent the issues and the stands and the traditions of george bush's party which got us into such
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terrible trouble for eight years? before that debate i think mitt romney has to kick away from and define himself again. what happened for the eight years of george w. bush's presidency, in terms of it ended in nick collapse. and there were two long, frustrating wars that people think were not won. romney can't be allowed to have himself painted as, he's going to bring that stuff back. he's got to say, no, there were things there that didn't work, both parties made mistakes. my party, the republicans, made a mistake. set himself up for the debate and go forward in the debate not worried about this likability stuff. >> which he still -- >> what about -- >> strong and capable and say i have the talent to turn around your crisis. >> what about, is there a bump? is there any discernible bump? >> if we only have a couple of the robo polls out there, all of them showing some movement toward the president. the point was the president was ahead before going moo convention, and he's still ahead coming out of it.
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body language is everything, right? we know the romney campaign believes they're behind. the map has slunk, yes, wisconsin is in play, no, pennsylvania and michigan are not. it's a narrow path for romney. he's behind and i think it's down to convention's a missed opportunity. the pressure on him to win that first debate. he doesn't win the first debate i don't know how -- >> i completely agree with that. and i think that you can tell the democrats won the pairing of the conventions because liberals say the democrats won. but a lot of conservatives think the democrats won the convention. and i think a couple of things happened. one, bill clinton, as my colleague greg sargent noted is for a lot of undecided voters a kind of referee, vouching agent on the economy. a lot of voters say look, we were gang busters under clinton. if he says this, it may be true. it doesn't decide it, but they listen. i think the other thing is the republican convention was all about business investment and it was businessmen who are the dominant figures, workers almost
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disappeared from that convention. what was striking about the democratic convention, it came through in their speech, there was much more talk about family. there was much more talk about upward mobility as a struggle, as a family effort. it was much more about individual struggle. i think that connected to a lot of swing voter kinds of people. >> let's just become unanimous. let me put it that way. i don't think we throw outed bush whole eight years. we won the war in iraq. bush did a lot of fine things. he can separate himself from bush policy particularly in the last couple of years. he's done so with having paul ryan there. he was a critic of bush spending. he's a critic of obama spending. there's a recent survey, ask people would you prefer a bigger government with more services or a bigger economy with more jobs. 75-15, bigger economy with more jobs. conservatives have families, they believe in families, they work, and by the way, this rack of lack compassion for people who are suffering. why in every survey or every
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study, self-identified conservatives give more of their time, their money, their blood and their treasures to helping people. >> i want to ask this point. do you believe governor romney is a practical enough politician to cut a deal with democrats to rely on paul ryan to essentially assuage conservatives -- that's important. you don't get that from the interview but spending time with him i get that impression. >> -- sure to fight -- >> that's the point. >> sure to save the country. but we'll see if he has to. >> he said he might even be satisfied with everything, including one term. >> it was e.j. who criticized harvard and princeton, not me. just let me say that for the record. >> i didn't criticize -- >> what they're saying is true. but look, can i just say with all due respect i'm glad the conventions are over. now the real stuff begins. the debate also be very, very significant. >> mayor castro we're talking about family. we're talking about your impact. i know a lot of people are saying you're a rising star. move over fella, there's somebody else who really captured the show, and that is your lovely daughter corona. you thought all the cheering
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going on in the hall was for you. but she was on the jumbotron. that was a fun moment. >> i'm going to have to save that for when she gets married at her wedding reception. >> you will. >> yes, i will. >> we have children, too. >> that's right. >> always both sides. >> republicans get defensive about family values -- >> we're going to leave it there. >> thank you all very much. the kwfrgs continues. that is all for today. the kwfrgs continues. my specialty is pastries, not predictions.
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all hit 96 kpke. >> i had a huge crush on him. he had this amazing voice. >> very gregarious, very charismatic and i think the passion that he had for people came through. >> he was the guy the whole town woke up to, morning deejay, steven bing. >> he was so funny and had such a great love of music. >> he is lovable, everybody loves steven b. >> but soon, it was fatally clear that not everybody did. >> they came up on a body floating in the water. >> shot him one time in the back of the head. >> i felt like i was in some made-for-tv movie, like this can't be happening. >> what did happen? >> tonight, the hunt is on. a gleaming yacht. >> i thought why did you get on that boat. >> a scheming businessman. and a missing fortune.
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>> you are a multimillionaire and you are don't have any money. >> from high seas adventure to heart-stopping murder. >> i don't think i will ever get another case quite like this. >> who killed the radio star? welcome to "dateline," everyone, i'm lester holt. he was one of the lucky ones who found fame and fortune, a deejay with a golden voice on the radio and a golden touch in life. then, he vanished, in a mystery that stretched from the coast of california to a quiet town in montana. and the clue to it all, you might never guess, wrapped in a napkin, tucked in a cabinet, hidden in a library. but would anyone find it? here's keith morrison. >> today's tuesday. and here's what happened on this day in history.
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>> reporter: down below the surface of the pacific ocean, on the far side of california's catalina island is a silent current. strange, how it flows up to the swelling coastline of santa barbara, then just before the open sea, turns back, to glide again past this storied island, when one sunny day in may 2006, someone in it. >> i'd saying i would rather be lucky than good. >> reporter: ken clark is a detective with the l.a. sheriff's department. been at it a long time, as has his partner, robert martin dale, more than 50 years between them, but nothing like the case that literally floated to them on a lonely reach of ocean out by catalina. would never have had the case at all except -- >> we were lucky that we had so some boaters leaving newport beach coming from catalina island, came upon the body in the water. >> justed on that see it?
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>> happened to see t. >> a big ocean out there? >> absolutely. >> the chances of it being seen were a needle in a haystack? >> very slim. >> the sailors spotted a flock of seagulls perched above the body. >> it was in extreme decomposition phase. >> barnacles had attached itself. >> barnacles already? >> yes. >> it was labeled a john doe and taken to the l.a. coronaries office. >> initially, it was betloifblio be a drowning vick at this time. >> who was he? identifying the john doe posed to be a huge challenge. >> co-say it was a human being. that was it. >> there was one odd thing. the medical examiner pointed to the map's left hand. three fingers were missing and clearly had been, said the examiner, for years. >> when the victim was young, he had an accident where heself leader to fingers on his left hand. >> which at least offered a slim chance of getting an i.d. >> we were hoping someone were
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to call and say my friend was missing, tell us something about him. >> and then another piece of luck. someone did call, looking for a friend he hadn't seen in weeks, a friend who had lost three fingers in a junior high school wood shop accident. and just like that john doe had a name and a whole remarkable life. >> our victim we identified as steven bailey williams. >> reporter: steven bailey williams, better known to his friends, family and fans as steven b. >> all hit 96 kpke friday morning with the bird and the bees. >> reporter: a deejay with a distinctive voice and personal that had made him famous in the 1980s as part of the hit denver-based radio show "steven b. and the hawk." >> step loaf of here and say a few words to the radio people around the country? >> i think we can keep this short and simple. get a real job.
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>> he was really at his professional zbeep nix in denver. >> reporter: they were friends for more than 30 years. >> the guys that pioneered two-man morning radio. they were funny. they were great writers. they were great comedian. >> been here at kpke about 100 years? >> it was 18 -- who knows when you're having a good time? >> so true. lovable, everybody loves steven b. >> reporter: young sillia had a big crush on steven b when they worked at a hawaii radio station in the early days. she worked up her nerve. >> i went in and asked steven b if he would be my date to the beach boys concert. and he turned me down. and i was just like devastated, you know? and so i was sitting in my little sales cubicle -- >> reporter: what's the matter with me? >> the general manager walks in, and he goes, i think you need to know something. and i said what? and he goes, well, if you were a boy, he would have gone.
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and i'm like here i am from west virginia, 18. and he goes, he's gay. and i said oh, okay, i can accept that then. >> reporter: and that very day, they began a warm, lifelong friendship many afternoons spent lingering at this coffee shop. and many memorable evenings. what were those dinners like? >> steven's an amazing cook. >> if you were patient, he was good. he was a phenomenal cook. but you had to be geared to eating at like 10:30 or 11:00, because he was the type of person, if he would talk to you, you would have his undivided attention. >> so by the time we would eat, it's like everybody is drunk. >> reporter: then somewhere in the middle of the '90s, the radio business seemed to tire of steven's huge deep voice and happy style. he got a job in the winery business for a while. then went home to care for his ailing father in southern california. and in 2003, when his father died --
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>> oh, he was devastated. >> reporter: and then, in the depths of his despair, a window opened to a whole new set of possibilities. steven made a new friend who had just bought a yacht, planned to sail it around the world. would steven like to go along, be the chef? did he know anything about sailing? >> no, nothing at all. >> reporter: what did you think about that? >> he's excited about this, it's a nice diversion, something for him to focus on after his dad died. >> i thought it was amazing. i said, i think it's awesome. i was really excited for him. >> reporter: but now, the dream, the voice, the happy-go-lucky charm, all gone. what happened to steven b? did he fall overboard? in the harsh, white light of the pathology lab, the coroner peered down at the body and made a pronouncement. steven b. did not die of accidental drowning. couldn't have. because there was a bullet in the back of his head.
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there had been so much promise in the air that spring of 2006. >> okay, child of the zodiac, here is your astrological forecast. >> reporter: the second act of a radio man.
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>> taurus, it's diet time when you're required to wear a red flag on your butt. >> reporter: all that fun on the radio was over, yes. but now, he was all set to sail the world, live a dream. and then he winds up floating face-down seven miles off the coast of california's catalina island, a bullet hole in the back of his head. but who wanted him dead? and why? detectives ken clark and robert martindale started by asking his friends. what did you find out about him? >> the thing i noticed about this case, and i give the credit to his friends, was he was surrounded by a group of very close friends that knew a lot about him. these are lifelong friends. >> he was just a great sounding board. somebody i would call if i was angry, if i was frustrated, if i needed advice. >> reporter: he could talk you down or talk you up. >> he could do both, usually at the same time. >> reporter: and recently, steven found a sounding board of his own, a new friend named harvey morrow. >> he was just a quiet,
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easy-going guy. he came up to him and said i'm such a huge fan of "steven b & the hawk." >> reporter: they soon became fast friends with his wife, debby. >> he was funny, and had such a great love of music and loved to cook. and i thought this man is going to be perfect to go on a boat with us. >> reporter: ah, yes, the boat. harvey had a dock at the l.a. yacht club, a 69-foot beauty. they had big plans for the boat. they talked about it ever since their first date. >> he says, what do you want to do when you retire? and i said, i want to sail all over the world. >> reporter: it was her dream of a lifetime. and now debby actually found the man who shared it. they married at the dawn of the new millennium, right here on the front porch of their new texas home. all that adventure to look forward to. and now harvey invited steven to go along as chef on their
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beloved yacht. steven moved aboard, lived with them on the boat. but before they set sail, there was work to do. >> he bought this kind of basically old rusty tub, right? >> yeah, yeah. >> reporter: greg le bono helped harvey fix up the old tub. greg fashioned all of the stainless steel trim. felt a connection with harvey, too. >> he was a wall street guy, rejecting society. >> reporter: a little bit like you? >> yeah, yeah. i'm an outlaw mentality. that's why we bonded. >> reporter: though as greg watched harvey pour money into the boat, the flat screen, the teak, the $50,000 washer/dryer -- >> holy cat, you can buy another boat for 50 grand. >> sure. >> he just wanted the biggest and best. >> reporter: before harvey dropped out, he had been in the investment banking business, had some old stock investments that finally paid off, he said. and so he plowed the money into
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the boat, along with what a still-working debby was able to contribute. he says don't worry, you know, so what if you have to work another year. >> reporter: he said that? >> yeah. >> reporter: what did you think? >> it's like, okay, yeah. work another year. but by that time, i'm in it. the boat's bought. he's already sunk so much money into it. it's like, let's get this done. >> reporter: can't walk away now. >> right. let's get it done. >> reporter: they did not ask steven to kick in a share, which was probably just as well, given how steven was with money. >> the creative side of his mind worked very well, but he was not a good money manager. >> reporter: steven bailey williams, as his friends told the detectives, had lived hand-to-mouth most of his life. he was a radio guy, made good money. and spent it. finance not a strong suit, said his friend, doug johnson. >> he was bad with money, and he was paperwork averse. he would just forget to file his taxes for a few years. >> reporter: how many years would he go? >> his record was eight. >> reporter: but then steven's father died, and the bad money
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manager was suddenly confronted with a windfall. steven inherited nearly $2 million. so now he would have to manage real money. >> he was trying to manage the estate, trying to get things organized, which, for steven, was almost impossible battle. >> reporter: but happily, there was harvey, the ex-banker to help him get the money socked away, a nice, safe tax haven, off shore. >> he said he's helping me with stuff, a retired financial planner and investment banker. >> reporter: just the sort of person i need right now. >> yeah, and this would be a real great help. >> reporter: but that was just business. what really caught steven's imagination was sailing around the world. that is, if the boat ever got finished. >> because every time he turned around, it was a new computer being put in, or new paintings and fireplaces and satellite systems. >> reporter: and two bathrooms and a full kitchen and -- well, never seemed to end. two years passed. three years. steven waiting and waiting. >> he had wanted to go to
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culinary school. and harvey kept saying, oh, we're going to set sail soon. we're going to set sail soon. >> reporter: and then one day, without a word to anyone, steven simply disappeared. coming up, the questions begin. where was steven? and what had happened to his newfound fortune? >> i said, how could this be? i mean, you're a multimillionaire, and you don't have any money? when "dateline"
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♪ partly cloudy with a slight chance of rain through tomorrow. high today around 85. low tonight, 55. right now, 76. >> reporter: in the spring of 2006, ex-deejay steven b. williams was ready, eager. any day now, he would be setting off to sail around the world. and then suddenly, without saying a word to any of his lifelong friends, he vanished.
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>> i was worried sick. and we were all kind of having the same angst that he had just dropped off the radar completely. >> reporter: no one had seen steven for weeks. >> i called harvey and said hey, harvey, we're all really concerned about steven. have you seen him? and he was, oh, he's over in hawaii. he went to hawaii. >> reporter: now, that was strange, because harvey told another friend steven went to mexico. what did you think? >> i thought steven wouldn't go to mexico at gunpoint. i mean, that was -- it was completely out of character for him. >> reporter: then harvey's friend, greg, the stainless steel guy, said he noticed something strange about steven's usually cluttered cabin. >> it was completely sterile. just -- nothing in it. not one loose object. >> reporter: it was as if steven had never set foot in here. and then those boaters made their shocking discovery, steven face-down in the ocean, a bullet
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in his head. what was it like to get that news? >> oh, it was awful. i felt like i was in some made-for-tv movie. it's like this can't be happening. none of us could believe it was happening. >> reporter: detectives ken clark and robert martindale morrow's boat, steven's last-known residence and they wanted to talk to harvey. they got a search warrant, brought a whole team to the harbor, seized the yacht. when you first walked in, was it -- >> clean. absolutely clean. clean enough where you -- these are my words, eat off the floor. >> reporter: pristine, in fact. and for all the diligent efforts of the forensic people, there was no sign of steven b's existence, no evidence he had ever set foot on that yacht. they did find some high-tech navigational equipment, which they hoped would tell them where the boat had been, but when the expert analyzed it -- >> he said it was never connected, it was never turned
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on. >> reporter: there was a manual for a handheld garmin gps, but only the manual. >> we went, we searched and searched and searched and just didn't find the gps. >> reporter: nor did they find harvey morrow. he seemed to have disappeared. and that's when they started digging into harvey's background. just who was he, anyway? >> some said he was as wealthy as $12 million and more. >> reporter: though when detectives talked to the neighbors here at the yacht club, at least one of them wasn't quite so sure that harvey was for real. >> reporter: she says, me and my husband, we have money, we live on our yacht. i knew when i saw harvey that he was full of it, because no one dresses like gilligan and the skipper when they live on a yacht. and harvey always showed up, these are her words, he showed up in costume. >> reporter: and harvey's employment history? turned out it was not quite as gold-plated as harvey had been letting on, as the detectives discovered. >> i think everything harvey's been involved with throughout his career in banking or stock brokering has gone belly-up. everything he is involved in seems to have some time of fraud
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involved. one con after the next. i don't think he's ever actually had a bona fide job where he's been there for a period of time. >> reporter: which led to an obvious question. what kind of job had harvey been doing managing steven's inheritance? sylvia nolan remembered shortly before steven vanished, somebody broke into the trunk of steven's car where he kept all of his personal paperwork, passport, trust documents, all stolen. >> and i said, please tell me the document between you and harvey wasn't in there. and he goes, what document? and i said, well, you know, for him investing your $2 million. i said you have something documented, right? and he goes, no. and i said, you gave some man you just met a couple years ago $2 million and you've got nothing in writing? >> reporter: she told the detectives, of course. and they took a good look at harvey's boat and soon learned something that probably should have been obvious all along. that fancy dolled-up tub with its pricey power winches,
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expensive electronics, teak, washer/dryer, fireplace, was paid for, practically every dollar, by the unwitting steven b. that answer turned up in meticulous detail in harvey's own ship's ledger. >> he put, according to his own ledger, $1.7 million to that yacht. so almost the whole amount he took from steven went right back into the yacht. >> reporter: no wonder, said steven's friend sylvia, no wonder the last time they went out to lunch, she had to pick up the check. >> he was so embarrassed. and i said, how could this be? i mean, you're a multimillionaire, and you don't have any money. and he said, well, harvey has got it all tied up in these offshore accounts. >> reporter: the detectives discovered harvey morrow had put steven's inheritance money to an offshore bank account in the british virgin islands, just as he said he would. but then he secretly brought it back to the u.s. in small increments and used the money to refurbish the boat. harvey just sucked up all that money.
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>> all of it. >> reporter: steven, by his own admission, a lousy money manager, trusting, vulnerable after the death of his father was, said detectives, the perfect mark. >> steven was no match for this man at all. >> reporter: nor, apparently, was his wife debby. >> i was really very much in love with harvey. >> reporter: but as she now began to discover, the man she loved had lied. a house in vail, colorado, which he told her he owned outright actually belonged to someone else. the money she sent him when she went back to work vanished. the auto insurance he told her he bought for her didn't exist. and what he said was a $25,000 diamond ring he slipped on her finger when he proposed, a fake. >> it's cubic zirconium. >> reporter: just who was that man she married and believed she loved? >> i don't think harvey even liked me. you know, love is not only blind. in my instance, it's also deaf and dumb. >> reporter: but devastating as
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those lies were, debby couldn't bring herself to believe harvey could kill. >> i never once thought it would be harvey that would have hurt steven. >> reporter: and, in fact, there was nothing definitive tying harvey to steven's murder. no sign of any violent struggle, not a drop of steven's blood anywhere on the ship. if only the detectives could talk to harvey. it turned out, they just missed him. an employee of the yacht club told investigators harvey was standing nearby in plain sight, observing as the cops scoured his boat. but by the time they heard that, harvey was long gone. >> from friends and knowing his past, there was some speculation that he would go south, and he had some dealings in belize before. and we believe that's possibly where he was heading. >> reporter: so they put out feelers, belize, the virgin islands, harvey's old haunts down there. but the trail went cold. steven's murder, apparently unsolvable. when we come back, a
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♪ it was september 2006, when a smooth-talking stranger walked into pete's auto dealership in great falls, montana, and got himself a job as a used car salesman. >> he was quite the character. wasn't your typical car salesman persona. >> reporter: joe was the finance manager at pete's auto. he was at the dealership tay

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News/Business. Chris Hansen, Hoda Kotb, Josh Mankiewicz. (2012) The death of a former radio DJ takes five years and two trials to solve. (HD) (CC) (Stereo)

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